Review: The Honey Stove Ti — A Superb Wood Burning Stove

I thought carefully about whether I should review the new titanium Honey Stove. Manufacturers Bob and Rose Cartwright are good friends and I do like to feel that I am being impartial! However, this is such  good piece of kit that I thought I’d take the risk. I wouldn’t want backpackers to be missing out! Wood burning stoves are great pieces of kit to use in the field and this on is both effective and versatile.

There are no photos associated with this review. There are both photos and videos over on the backpackinglight.co.uk site. These are comprehensive and, more importantly, give an accurate representation of the product in use.

Contents:

  • The Genesis of the Honey Stove
  • The Modular Honey Stove
  • The Honey Stove in Use
  • Cooking with the Honey Stove
  • The Honey Stove with an Alcohol Stove
  • Durability
  • Conclusions

Methodology

Immediately this article was published I’ve had someone arguing with my findings on the basis of using one of the competitor stoves.

For this review the Honey Stove TI was compared with a Bushbuddy Ultra, a wood burning stove that I have used for 8 years. For the alcohol comparisons I fired up the Honey Stove with the Caldera burner and compared fuel use with the same burner used in its original aluminium cone. The Honey Stove was also used with the Vargo Triad. I have used both the Caldera and the Triad stoves for some years.

These tests were made outside in a variety of weather conditions.

 

Wood Burning Stoves

Using a wood burning stove is both great fun and practical. Here in the UK our weather tends to be a bit on the wet side but when we hit a dry patch wood burning stoves can come into their own. There’s usually not much of a problem finding fuel on the ground and, of course, wood and organic fuel comes free. In drier climates — in the warmer parts of the USA and in Southern Europe — wood burning stoves really come into their own. During my last trek in the Pyrenees I relied almost exclusively on a wood burning stove. Because fuel is not limited you can cook for longer, avoid relying on pot cosies and just ‘cook’ more. Being able to boil up lots of water without worrying about fuel is a real joy. If you are always cautious with fuel this might seem a bit odd, but using a wood burner is very different to using a canister or alcohol stove,

My favourite wood burning stove has been the Bushbuddy Ultra, and ingenious design which has received a lot of publicity over the last few years. But — certainly in UK conditions — the Bushbuddy is not always easy to use. For this review I have concentrated on the Honey Stove but I contrast its performance with the Bushbuddy when appropriate.

The Genesis of the Honey Stove

The Honey Stove is now new, it has been available for a few years now, what is new is that it is now available in titanium. The new ti version runs in at under half the weight of the original stainless steel version.

I’ve had an original Honey Stove for a while now but its weight has always discouraged me from taking it with me on a backpacking trip. As a result I hadn’t really had much experience of using it in the field, which is one of the reasons why I haven’t reviewed it. The new Honey Stove feels much lighter in comparison to the original. The titanium package is comparable to the Bushbuddy and also to other pieces of kit such as the Caldera Cone system that I have been using over the lost couple of years.

While lightweight backpackers may not have used the stainless steel Honey Stove a great deal the bushcraft community have really taken it to heart. Now, after using the ti out in the field I can see what they have been raving about — and also what I have been missing!

The Modular Honey Stove

The Honey Stove utilises a simple but ingenious modular design. The Honey stove is flexible and can be used in a number of configurations. The simple design is relatively easy to manufacture and this no doubt accounts for its price. The titanium version is more expensive than the stainless steel original but for a titanium stove it is very price competitive, indeed, nothing can touch it for versatility, price and lightness combined.

The stove arrives in a flat, thin, pouch that is designed to carry not only your stoves but timber, fire steels, disposable lighters and so on. On unpacking the pouch you find a series of very light titanium plates and adapters as well as a stainless steel grill!

In ‘main’ mode the stove is constructed with 5 side plates and a ‘door’. Each of these has two tabs on either side and these simply slot together to form a hexagon shape. A base plate clips inside the stove and this is the support for your fuel.

The pack also contains a second baseplate — more later. This allows you to configure the Honey Stove in a lighter configuration. Basically, you can use just three side plates and the door together with the smaller base plate. Leave the rest of the kit behind and you have a smaller but lighter wood burner and multi purpose stove.

But I shall start with the stove in ‘main’ configuration.

It does take a while to get the knack of slotting all of this together. Overall, this reminds me of using ‘meccano’ when I was a kid! The side plates have a number of thing slots in them which enables you to change the height of the base plate or grate. This flexibility can be useful when using the stove with an alcohol burner but for burning wood there seems to be no real reason to use any other slot than the lowest one.

Once assembled you realise just just how large the diameter is, a full 12 centimetres. Most lightweight backpacking pots are of a smaller diameter but they are easily catered for. Each of the panel slots has a slightly rounder hole at each end which is designed to take a thin titanium tent peg. With two tent pegs in place the stove can easily carry any pot. The large diameter of the Honey Stove means that this is a very stable stove.

The Honey Stove in Use

You place tinder and dry, small, pieces of wood in the chamber and then light. Yu can place your pot on the stove immediately. The fire can be fed easily via the ‘door’ panel.

The size of the stove means that it can take a lot of fuel and some quite big pieces of wood. In practice this means that I don’t have to feed it quite as often as the Bushbuddy, although this depends on the weather conditions. If you have used quite a bit of wood when the fire dies down you are left with quite a lot of hot cinders and this has benefits for cooking (more later).

For me one of the areas in which the Honey Stove really scores is in dealing with a variety of weather conditions. In windy weather I find the Bushbuddy quite difficult to use and I tend to need a sheltered spot to set it up in or I have to improvise a rather large windshield. But the Honey Stove is its own windshield and so long as the door of the stove is not taking the full blast of the wind you’ll find it very effective. Some air can move through the side plate slots but this is not a problem in windy conditions, in most conditions wood burning stoves benefit from a bit of draft.

In wind I have found that the suspension of the pot ‘inside’ of the stove walls is a really big advantage. With the Bushbuddy your pot sits high above the stove and wind whistles between the base of the pot and the top of the stove effectively meaning that you use up fuel at a very fast rate. However, with your pot suspended in the top slot or the second slot you have a set up that is far more resilient to wind.

The Honey Stove really excels in calm weather. The large diameter catches what wind there is far more effectively than a smaller stove. In such still conditions I often fund myself blowing over the fuel — again the large diameter of this stove makes this a relatively stress free process. If the flames die down usually only one puff is needed to being them back to life.

Combustion is very effective. The grate or base plate has a number of holes in it to ensure there is a proper flow of air through the fuel. Bob has spent a long time perfecting this seemingly random system of holes and it seems to work. Once burnt out you are left with fine white powder which tells you that  combustion has been very efficient.

So, heating water is not problem and when you are using wood you can afford to fill you pot more than you usually would, or you can use a larger pot without worrying about using too much fuel.

Cooking with the Honey Stove

There are lots of wood burning stoves that can boil water, however, there are few backpacking stoves that can ‘cook’ as efficiently as the Honey Stove.

Initially, I had assumed that I would leave the stainless steel grill at home but I then realised that the large diameter of the stove meant that I could actually use the stove to cook things. Bacon sandwiches for breakfast anyone?

On colder days I have often taken some bacon with me into the hills. I fire up the stove and make myself a drink and then place two halts of a bread bun on the grill to toast. Then the bacon. This can cook nicely over glowing cinders but in fact the height of the stove means that I usually cook it over an open flame — the height here means that you have properly flame grilled food rather than torched grub!

I don’t know how you feel about this but I have found this to be a real improvement over a cold sandwich. Setting up the stove also means that I have more of a proper rest which is important when hiking. I’ve not tried it yet,  but I can’t see why the grill couldn’t be used to cook bigger pieces of meat, chops, steaks and so on. Or how about cooking corn or cooking an aubergine/egg plant so that you can make a dip? Easy.

Also when using in the grill you will find that the stove is stable enough for you to balance more than one pot on top of it should you need to.

The Honey Stove with an Alcohol Stove

The Honey Stove is also designed to be used with a small alcohol stove. The stove sits on the bad plate with the Honey Stove effectively acting as a robust wind shield. Again, versatility is a feature here. Use the stove in its smaller configuration and you will find that a Trangia burner fits in nicely. The small base plate is also designed so that the legs of the Vargo Triad Stove can ‘clip’ into it making for a very stable and secure set up. The Triad is a very cheap, light and very effective stove. Once you have finished cooking you can blow the stove out and poor unused alcohol into you fuel bottle using one of the legs as a pourer. The Triad works so well with the Honey Stove (and with the Pocket Stove) that my Triad has been dragged out of retirement on a few occasions now.

I was surprised by next experiment.

As I mentioned above my favourite alcohol stove over the last few years has been the Caldera Cone. The Caldera stove itself is a very simple beer can design but it is light and I have found it to be very effective and efficient. The Caldera comes with a small plastic measure which allows you to quickly learn how much fuel you need to bring your chosen pot up to the boil. Over the years I have found this simp system to be very fuel efficient. I’ve also assumed that that the aluminium cone itself also adds to the efficient and heat builds up towards the top of the cone and little is wasted into the environment.

The Cone stove is too wide at the base to fit into the smaller Honey Stove configuration (though I know of at least one hiker who has used wire cutters to cut it down so that it can fit). I simply placed my stove onto the full sized base plate and used tent pegs to arrange my port at about the same height from the stove as it would have been in the cone. Again, the pot sat below the top of the stove giving it a lot of wind protection. Measuring out my normal fuel measure for my pot basically gave me the same results as I do with the cone. So, the Caldera burner with the Honey Stove seems about as efficient as the cone system itself.

Many lightweight backpackers have been using the Caldera Cone system and so these little burners are quite popular. Using the burner with the Honey Stove obviously gives you are more versatile system as you can easily burn organic fuel when it is available. Caldera themselves produce a combination kit that combines an alcohol stove and wood burner but this is more expensive than the Honey Stove/Caldera combination and may be not as an effective wood burner as it doesn’t have the Honey stove’s wide diameter.

Durabilty

I have sen a few comments — and have had a few enquiries — about the durability of the Honey Stove TI. The titanium panels are very thin as the grade of titanium used here is probably smaller than that you will have encountered before. However, the panels are strong and as the whole thing flat packs down it should be quite difficult to damage. The stove fits into its own robust pouch and here are no rough edges to penetrate through and puncture your sleeping mat! The material obviously discolours from heat, and the Honey Stove can get very hot. My panels have warped slightly but this does not hinder stove assembly or create any real problems in operation — there will be marginal gap between panels but this will not present any real problem in windier conditions. I can see no reason why this stove should not last for years with minimal but sensible care.

 

Conclusions

As I write this I am preparing for the 2012 TGO Challenge. I have often wanted to take a wood burning stove with me on the Challenge but never actually have. The reality of the weather conditions usually wins over the romantic notions of using a wood burning stove. But this Honey Stove scarscely weighs more than the Caldera Cone system (when encased in its plastic protector tube). So — unless the weather forecast is dire — this year I will carry the Honey Stove TI and the Caldera burner and will hope to use wood as much as possible. I had thought I would use the stove in smaller setting but I doubt I will and will probably knave the small base plate at home. I could reduce weight by leaving the grill behind but I will almost certainly take it with me as the visibility of cooking over a grill will add real pleasure to the trip.

The reduced weight of the titanium Honey Stove makes for a great backpacking stove. I have always loved my Bushbuddy but the Honey Stove TI scores over it in several important ways. Firstly, the larger diameter and fire box of the Honey Stove means that it is easier to load up with fuel and it has the capacity to take larger pieces of wood which is useful if you want the stove to burn for some time. The Honey Stove can kick off quite a lot of useful heat and can almost be used as a small camp fire. Secondly — and critically in the field — the Honey Stove is better in windy conditions.

The Honey Stove also scores in versatility terms. Over the last year or so the Backcountry Boiler from boilerworks has received a great deal of publicity. This is a great stove created by a genuine backpacker. But the stove is almost twice the weight of the Honey Stove (complete kit), is just as expensive when you consider importing and only boiled water! You would be hard pressed to fast a bacon sandwich over one of these! (the boiler is also not available a the moment).

For lightweight backpackers the Honey Stove TI has no peers. This is a very effective and very versatile piece of kit. If you are looking to experiment with a lightweight, wood burning stove, then really this is the place to start. There really is not reason to look elsewhere. This package is that good!

 

 

Comments

  1. I’ve got the Ti Pocket Stove and the Backcountry Boiler and I have to say that I’ve come to the same conclusion as you Andy. I will get round to writing about them both when I have the chance.

    The Backcountry Boiler is very efficient at what it does – boil water. Very wind resistant and a joy to use, but the pocket Ti stove although slightly fiddlier is so much more fun and the weight and bulk comparison is huge, i.e. the Pocket Ti stove has a tiny pack size and very light (without the tin!)

    I like the Pocket Ti stove so much I can’t see that I’m going to get much use out of the Backcountry Boiler. I can see the Honey Stove with it’s bigger size and more versatility being really good fun to use.

    I have to say as a disclaimer I’ve purchased both these stoves with my own money and have no links to either of the manufacturers. Both of them are superb but my personal preference is that of the Pocket Ti/Honey Stove.

    • Shed Dweller — this is the point. This is a fun and versitile stove to use.

      I have a Pocket Stove which I sometimes takes out on day walks. It works well in both modes but is a bit more fiddly as it is smaller and so uses smaller amounts of fuel that have to be replenished regularly.

      The Titanium Honey is a clear step up from the Pocket because of its size and versitility. It certainly is even more fun to use.

      One thing I shoud add is that in operation the Honey Stove needs less tending than the Bush Busddy Ultra simply becaus it is effectively a bigger fire box.

      I shall be using the Honey on this year’s Challenge. And when that whiff of bacon drifts around the camp sites I bet there will be a lot of interest!

  2. Does the Pocket Stove turn into a Honey Stove with an expansion pack? I note the Honey turns into a Hive with it’s expansion pack. If it doesn’t it may be worthwhile for Bob to look into this, or something similar?

    • Without going and checking th relative size of the plates I’m not sure. The design is different as the HS has a series of slats in it. I think the Honey Stove plates are bigger but no doubt Bob will be around in a minute to put us right.

  3. The Pocket Stove is designed to be a solo multifuel cooking solution, small and compact and able to fit within most solo and small pots. It is non-expandable and has been designed to be neat, simple and compact.

    The Honey Stove in its square configuration, is slightly taller than the Pocket Stove and I found that is was too large for some smaller solo pots, hence the new design of the Pocket Stove specifically for the solo user.

    Demand for a slightly larger fire box made me look at the expansion pack for the Honey Stove and increase capacity from 12cm dia to 18cm dia. I don’t think I can increase any more, but even this size will serve a large group of people with heat from a neat contained fire.

    • I knew you’d be around soon!

      THe large firebox of the Honey Stove makes a big difference!

  4. ukmase says:

    Hi Andy,

    Good review, but i disagree with the last comment “There really is not reason to look elsewhere.”

    Its not even in the same league for me as the Bushbuddy Ultra for wood burning. Its probably up there as one of the best multi functional burners which is how Bob pitches it. But its not the best lightweight, wood burning stove by a long shot.

    My issues with this are stove over the Bushbuddy Ultra are.
    It weighs more than the BB.
    The burn is not as clean or effective with the effect of wood gas is not as profound with the Honeystove.
    Setting this up is slower than the BB, and involves soot covered hands which is a pain and a massive NO for me.
    Burn marks and ash getting everywere.

    I must admit the flat pack design did intrege me but the system i use packs into one mug, which also has a lid/frying pan. The best setup for me is the Bushbuddy with the Snowpeak 900 which packs all into one, with an esbit and gram cracker as backup. You can also get the snowpeak cup to pack inside the BB if you want to go pack small crazy.

    http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_9rLgIPC6C8M/SCXdO0FWVJI/AAAAAAAAAIA/oS50UEN-CrI/s640/snowpeak2%20small.jpg

    Shame i’m not on the TGO this year, a burn off would of been fun.

    Carry on burning folks :-)

    • Paul, you are wrong. This is a better wood burner than the Bushbuddy – I’ve used a Bushbuddy happily for 8 years. Yes the BB has a clever system of ignition but he bigger firebox of the HS more than compensates.

      My views are my own but they have been written down after extensive testing and a lot of use of the BB. I think I was me of the first people in the country import a BB.

      THe BB is a fine stove but not as versatile. It is more expensive and ultimately it’s performance is not significantly better. After all wood doesn’t burn any faster nice it is lit.

      The titanium weight really means this stove moves from the Bushcraft world to the ultralight world.

      People may well disagree with me, but they should try both as I have!

  5. Andy Williams says:

    I’ve been using mine as my default stove since I got it as soon as it became available. With a meths stove it’s a fantastically versatile bit of kit. I’ve had the stainless version for a couple of years so getting the titanium version was a no brainer. I’ll be getting the hive upgrade when it becomes available, again I have the stainless version and it makes a great bit of kit even more useful. It makes a fire basket big enough for a proper camp fire, and because you can use larger pieces of wood it gives embers that can be cooked over for longer without replenishing.
    For actual cooking I find the best source of fuel is often old camp fires. We’re all used to finding fire circles all over the shop in heavily used areas and these often have large chunks of charred wood and charcoal left behind. If they’re dry they can be lit with surprisingly small kindling so you can skip to cooking your bacon all the sooner and have long lasting embers. Lumps of charcoal that have got wet from being on the ground can be leant against the sides of the stove to dry out while you get embers established.
    I’ve taken various saws and knives out to process fuel but to be honest the most useful bit of kit you can take is a pair of light secateurs. They can cut all sizes of wood you’re likely to need for a burner that size and are much quicker than any saw. Hardly suitable for a lightweight trip of course but ideal for playing with it in your garden or on a day hike. On a trip where weight counts you can snap a long stick to length by putting a pair of good sized stones a few inches apart, holding the stick across them and hitting it with a rock where it bridges the gap (if that makes sense). It’s much easier to get them the right length this way than by stamping on them.
    If you want to take cooking bacon to its logical next step a Tefal One Egg Wonder is 170g and fits perfectly inside the rim of the Honey Stove. The fit is uncanny, it’s like it was designed for it. It also means you can cook bacon over meths, handy when it’s just too stormy to have the tent flaps open but still fancy a bacon butty without smoking yourself out.

    • Time for a balanced response to Paul – sorry Paul!

      The Bushbuddy Ultra is a very fine stove and a very efficient burner. I’ve had years of pleasure out of mine and will probably never get rid of it. BT it comparing it to the HS has been interesting.

      Firstly, I’ve not compared the start-up burn times directly. The BBU may well be faster but the time difference is not significant. Wood burning stoves are not for those times when you need water fast! Wood burners are for when you want to linger over the camping experience. The BBU is an ingenious design and those who have taken apart marvel at it. Effectively you have a turbo charger effect as warm air flows across the surface of the wood.

      My argument is that the HS performs comparably. That large surface area does help in this regard.

      My second observation is more significant. Use both stoves in windy conditions. The BB struggles in this regard wind runs underneath the pot and over the stove. Finding shelter is important and I often take with me a windshield which I find clunky. The HS is a built in wind shield. Most popular pots are smaller in diameter than the HS and so can be set up in the way that I described in the review. The base of the pot is below the top edge of the HS and as such is better protected from wind. Maybe this is just my preference but this does mean that you need to be less attention to the HS when using it in windy conditions.

      Thirdly, there is as Paul says an issue of construction. For a long time I was put off the original Honey Stove by the assembly of it, I’ve joked before that it seems to appeal to those who loved meccano in their youth! But this time I thought I ought to crack this and practice before I went out into the field. This made a big difference and I can now assemble the stove quickly. What you gain from the flat pack arrangement is a slim flat package which is easy to store in the pack.

      Like all wood burners things get sooty. The HS panel do build up soot but I don’t find this a problem. With a little practice I can assemble and disassemble store without getting too much soot on my hands. Your pot will attract soot with all wood burners and I don’t think the HS is any worse than the BB in this regard.

      Fourthly, yes you can use the BB to grill food and to cook with a titanium frying pan. But the bigger area of HS grill makes it easier to use – your bacon isn’t hanging over the edge of the grill!

      Wood burners need to be used with care particularly in dry weather conditions. The BB has a solid floor and so no ash can drop to he ground but you still have to take care that flames don’t spit and ignite the grass around you. But the BB is not a no trace stove. Once you put it away you will notice that it has parched the ground. When I use my BB in warmer climates than the UK I take real care and like to use it on stones or rocks. While the HS does not have a solid floor it seems no worse in this regard, indeed, there does it seem to be a problem. Ashes do not easily fall through the grate and be parched ground effect may even be less as only the walls of the stove are in contact with the ground. When using the HS in wild I have had to take as much dare with it as I have with the BB – I more or no less.

      As always I will produce a second ‘living with’ review which will reflect on more regular and intensive use.

      Finally, my point about not needing to look anywhere else was serious one if you are UK based. Titanium products are expensive but at £75 this is a good price. The BB is more expensive and has to be imported – postage and taxes bump this up even more.

      Paul is right: the Bushbuddy Ultra is the Rolls Royce of wood burners and I wouldn’t advise anyone against buying them. But in terms of real world performance I don’t think it offers any real advantage.

      My experience with the BB Is more extensive and I’ve used it on three week treks in warm climates – see my Pyrenees pages. But even here in the summer I have carried a small alcohol stove as a backup and have needed it in poor weather. If I take the HS to Scotland for the Challenge I’ll be able to make a more direct comparison but I would be surprised if two weeks of use gives me significantly different results to my overnight tests.

      Gear heads will still want to explore other options – some often end up owning more than one wood burner. The Backcountry Boiler has a good fan base and I’m told is fun to use – it is based on a tried and tested design that goes back a century or so. The market will continue to grow, indeed Bob has at least one other clever idea that he wants to develop.

      But more concluding point is I believe fair. I doubt many BB owners will move to the HS. But, if you are new to this there is no reason to automatically look to more expensive and less flexible designs. The Honey Stove does what it says on the tin!

  6. C’mon Andy, a “review” without photos, sending us to the seller to see it? You can do better than that with your 5D Mk II!

    Now all we got is you pitching your friends creation, and saying it is far superior than tried and tested alternatives like the BushBuddy, Ti-Tri [Caldera Cone] or the [still relatively new] Backcountry Boiler. That’s hardly objective =)

    • Hendrick, not for fine first time I find your comments offensive – and of course I am not the only one!

      This is the work of a friend – openly and upfront declared in the review. This is something others could learn from.

      If you want to know how to look at the stove, see how to assemble it and then see it in use the there are professional standard videos on the site – no smoke and mirrors. As I say in my review I have found that the stove performs as suggested in these videos.

      There is no point in me making my own videos – I know how much work is involved as should you – as such your comments are disingenuous.

      Finally, I never stated that the Honey Stove is ‘far superior’ than the other stoves. These are your comments and not mine – poor and shoddy practice. If you have bothered to read the review and the comments you would see that I have used the BB for years quite happily. What I did say was that this stove is more versatile and – I’d you are in the UK – more easily available.

      I don’t understand who misrepresent what is written so dramatically. We all have differences of opinion – see my discussion with Paul – but these should be carried out in a atmosphere of mutual respect.
      Perhaps, you should refrain from commenting in such a way on a product you have clearly never used.

      However, I should not be taking up too much of your time. You may have some videos to shoot.

  7. ukmase says:

    How can i be wrong??

    My definition of a better wood burner is my own. I wanted the lightest, cleanest, easiest, fastest burner.

    I will be happy to be proven wrong but the Honesytove is not better in any of these areas.

    Burn times are faster, setup / pack down times are quicker, cool off period quicker.Combine that with sooty hand and it would put me off stopping for a midday brew.

    I could if i wanted carry a wind shield with the BB that packs down inside my setup and it would still be lighter than the Honeystove.

    Build construction was a concern when i researched the honey stove. The ti option may of solved this?

    http://www.bushcraftuk.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-67873.html?s=1ee072c7080e601d1a1ea3f046d30c6d

    It looks a good bit of kit, but i would never swap the setup i use for this.

    • In my opinion Paul, that’s all :-)

      I’ve not found he sooty hand to be any worse than with the Bushbuddy, but I’ll reflect on his again after prolonged use!

      Basically, my main point is that there is cheaper and more local alternative for those wanting to explore wood burners!

  8. Ukmase says:

    At this point I’m ducking out, peace out folks. Keep on burning x

  9. Richard says:

    Do not feed the trolls.

  10. Richard says:

    Be content with the moral high ground, they thrive on exposure.
    On a happier note, interesting write up. Owning the stainless honey and hive I appreciate the versatility regarding pots, fuels and cooking methods (not to mention the wind performance). Alas, while Bob was beavering away on these new models I splashed out on two Ti-Tri cones so I don’t think he’ll be seeing any of my money for a while. Regardless, it’s an all round good, versatile design and now that weight is less of an issue it deserves to sell well.

  11. Look what happens when I go away…

    Bob’s video is professionally put together: Clear and concise. It would be completely pointless reproducing it. My advice would be to ignore Hendrik, Andy.

    As you rightly point out, he has produced only three out of the twenty six videos promised on his $10,000 Kickstarter project. It was all supposed to be finished four months ago.

  12. Vince says:

    I found this review as I have also recently moved from a Bushbuddy ultra to the Honey stove Ti. I think it is a fair review. I am a huge fan of the Bush Buddy and it is as good today as it was before the release of the honey stove. That said the honey stove is more practical and far more versatile. It’s also feels more durable to me. Also, just as an aside, in terms of weight the whole kit is of course heavier but either the hexagon or the square configuration are actually a tad lighter it’s extras that the Bushbuddy doesn’t have that add to the weight so it’s hardly a fair comparison. Either way the difference is not a big deal.

  13. I’m loving my Pocket Stove by the way

  14. How do you all transport the stove and pots without getting it all over your rucksack and kit?
    Is the stove carry bag big enough to fit an msr kettle in too?
    I don’t mind sooty fingers from building the stove but not over all my stuff.
    Cheers for your help.

    • The stove comes with it’s own sack. It packs flat so is easy to store. It just goes in there and keeps everything soot free! The main problem with soot comes from the bottom of pots — I keep min in a simple stuff sack which is always kept for pots. You Can use the HS with an MSR kettle.

  15. PaulA says:

    Used my shiny HS for the first time, wood fired, packpacking the Southern Upland Way a cou[ple of weeks ago. Thought it would be ideal for that trip since there’s lots of fuel available on route, the weather however had other plans. Continual rain meant I only got to ‘play’ with wood burning a couple of times but was quite impressed.

  16. Well I thought sod it and ordered the stove earlier. Dying to play about with it NOW!!!!

    • Great! You can use it as a Caldera Cone. It is as a wood burner that it really excels – you might have to wait a few months to use it!

  17. No way!! I will be out next week with it. (Even if I have to cheat a bit and use solid fuel tablets to light it. )

  18. Re weights – the Backcountry Boiler doesnt need a pot when just cooking with water so that comparison is unfair.

    • No! My point is that the Honey Stove is far more versitile and not just for boiling water!

  19. Well, the BB can also be used with an alcohol stove, you dont need to pack a pot – I use old ‘Pot Noodle’ cartons = less than an ounce. There’s no ‘Meccano’, just fill it with water, pop in the silicon stopper, break off a few pieces of dead wood as you go then brew up… I havnt tried it but I believe you can also fry etc on top of it.

  20. PS the weight of the latest BB is 8oz – including stuff bag. How does that compare with the HS + pot of your choice?

    • Oh for fuck’s sake!

      The BB is a neat take on a very old military design. It boils water and really that’s all. It is a nice piece of kit but nowhere near as versatile. I’m really glad you are happy with pot noodle but on a long hike you might get fed up of it.

      The HS is far more versatile and can be used to cook with when that is necessary.

      No doubt you like your BB but please go get a life. I’m not commenting on whether the BB boils water well or not I’m talking about a multi purpose, multi fuel operation.

      I have used a BB. You clearly have not used the HS!

      • Well its all about improving design – tweaking and lightening kit… there’s very little thats completely innovative is there. No I havnt used the Honey Stove but it sounds like a great piece of kit and I’ve got a feeling I will be…. BTW Pot Noodle RULES!!!!

        • PPS – what kind of stuff are you cooking? i’m usually just dehydrated meals, everything else gets heavy really quick.

          • Mark,

            I tend to dehydrate my own meals when backpacking in the UK. However, I do tend to buy fresh food along the way for lunch and evenings. One of the things I like about the HS is that it makes a big grill and when the weather is right I can start the day with bacon sandwiches!

            On the continent I tend to buy more local stuff and cook more. Firstly, the weather is often better and cooking on a real fire more of an option. Secondly, continental hiking areas tend to have a wider range of dried goods and food that our supermarkets do!

        • Pot Noodle Rules! Not on a multi week trek it doesn’t :-)

  21. Ahhhhh….. Bacon Butties….. I’m persuaded!!!

    • In fairness Mark I only had one day last year when I could do that! I shall post some photos next time I get to do it :-)

  22. Erskine Crumb says:

    People do seem to get quite animated about wood burning stoves and seem to be defending their beloved one and missing the point of this review, anyway……..
    I’m thinking of getting the Pocket TI but like the size of the HS in its square configuration (whether I’d use the rest of it, I don’t know).
    Which is easier to use Andy?
    I’d appreciate comments about THESE STOVES from people that have actually used them.
    Thanks

    • Erskine, buy the Honey Stove as it s far more versatile – works well in square format. The Pocket Stove is great in ideal conditions! But how often do you get ideal!

      • Erskine Crumb says:

        Thanks Andy for a straightforward answer based on personal field experience.
        Exactly what I was looking for.
        Nice blog by the way, always worth reading.
        Regards.
        EC

        • Thanks Erskine. I hav both of these stoves. Using the Pocket Stove during a day trip n the summer might be OK but I wouldn’t take one on a longer trip. I have happily used the HS in small configuration but these days most just use the full kit as it is so much more versatile and better in varying wind conditions.

          • Erskine Crumb says:

            I’ve just ordered on off Bob (to replace my long dead Bushcooker), so I’ll be able to play around with it to see what suits me best.
            Thanks again Andy

  23. Pete Glass says:

    Hi All, love the site.

    Hope I’m not too late to join in this thread. I’ve never tried the BB, but I’m a great fan of the Honey stove, and have recently bought the Ti Pocket stove for solo outings which works great now I’m trying to get my kit as light as possible, although I’d still use the old HS with a group / family due to the extra size.

    I read with interest the bit about using it with the triad, and have tried it out with mine. Love the idea, and it works brilliantly and cooks very well.

    However, although I find lighting it a pain (I usually use a firesteel). Has anyone come up with a solution, or should I just go back to matches?

    Any thoughts would be welcome.

    Cheers, Pete

    • Fire starters can be a real pain!

      I tend to use Bic Lighters or a lighter which burns at all angles! Make it easier for yourself :-)

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