For those of you with a weak disposition, here is a warning. This is a very geeky post and, perhaps, more than a tad obsessive. Feel free to turn away now!
I get a lot of emails about gear, usually following something I’ve written about here. Recently, I’ve noticed a trend for people to talk about some substantive piece of kit and then tag on a question about stuff-sacks! Which stuff-sacks would I recommend!
This is a difficult area mainly because manufactures change their lines quite regularly. I suspect this is because many of them commission in buy in bulk, have stock for a few years and then simply move on at a later date. Over the last five or six years I’ve found some great and light sinylon sacks from Golite, Granite Gear and others. More often than not when I’ve gone to replace sacks or buy new ones the product I really rated is no longer available! So, if you’re concerned about stiff-sacks the first rule is to shop around — which these days means shopping around on the web.
Exped bags are very popular. They are tough and have a good waterproof role top. But they are heavy. By preference I wouldn’t use these often although I do use them for heavier duty stoves and cooking equipment as they are very strong. I prefer lighter sinylon bags though.
I search for my bags through the usual channels. Hike Lite often have good stuff here. I find the Granite Gear sacks to be very useful and light! Backpackinglight.co.uk have Exped as the mainstay of their line up but Bob regularly stocks lighter sacks although they may not be branded makes. As ever, drop Bob an email or chat to him or Rose on the phone. Winwood Outdoor also have good stuff, and their website is good at letting you know what is in stock.
But you can get lighter than sinylon. I’ve got some good sacks made of spinnaker fabric but more recently have been exploring cuben fibre sacks.
Cuben fibre is very strong and completely waterproof. But cuben needs to be worked by people who really know what they are doing! Ron Bell at Mountain Laurel Designs is now offering a great range of cuben sacks. These are described as envelope shaped but — when full — they look like tubes. For years I have kept my down sleeping bag and down jacket in a large Mountain Hardware plastic pack liner (these are branded differently in the USA). These are light-ish and waterproof. Not only are Ron’s cuben sacks light but they are compact and take up room. The problem with large capacity sacks or packs is that they tempt you to use the space! Volume is as much a curse as sheer weight for the ultralight hiker.
Ron’s cuben sacks are a bit pricey and it seems a bit odd to be importing stuff sacks. However, if you are ordering anything else from Ron then you really should consider adding some of these sacks to your order. A tip here. The MLD website recommends a certain size sack for your sleeping bag. This may seem too small but trust Ron; it will fit!
There may be people closer to home who will supply, or make, cuben sacks for you. I’ve lost touch with him recently, but Wayne at teamio might be able to help.
Skeptics who have continued to read this may well be rolling around the floor in laughter …
… but remember, ultralight hikers get to that point by being obsessive about every little bit of kit they carry. And they’re reasonably balanced individuals
It’s your hobby. Why not look at ultralight stuff sacks? You can shave more grams than seem possible by re-thinking your packing. Compact sacks mean less volume and ultimately contribute to the need for a lighter pack.
Why care about sceptics Andy. I used the ones Bob sells for ages and these days use two small sacks for my down bag and clothing.
Stuff sacks need to keep your kit dry and cuben stuff sacks should be fine as it is waterproof.
Some folks clim they don’t need to use stuff sacks as the pack keeps the water out. I would not recommend that as rucksacks leak.
There is a time to look stuff sacks but it’s way down the list after lightening your shelter, pack, bedding, kitchen, clothing, wash kit, etc, etc. There is far more weight to be saved switching to a framless pack than replacing all you stuff sacks with cuben ones.
I’m at that sad stage now! I also went through a stage of simply reducing the number of stuff sacks and dry-bags which saves even more weight! I still use one ‘regular’ dry-bag for my quilt and camp clothes that is robust enough for me not to worry about. Then I have a lightweight dry-bag for my ‘essentials’ and ‘day’ clothes (like hat, gloves, etc). I have a couple of cuben stuff sacks for my kitchen and ditty bag and really rate Joe Valesko’s Z-Packs cuben stuff sacks with their minimalist cords and cord locks. Why does so much of today’s ‘lightweight’ kit come in such over engineered stuff sacks?! Joe also offers a custom option which meant I got sacks that fit my cooking pots like a glove.
I think because the industry in general has a temptation to over-engineer everything!
I made myself some cuben fiber stuff sacks, taped ones. Not that hard to build and no size i made weights more than 10 gramms
greets
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Good stuff Mathias!